i know kathleen sebelius. i trust her, i would imagine going before the committee an repeating what the director has said here can't be good for the administration and ultimately won't be good in the short and intermediate term for the program, itself. democrats and republicans will have to tinker with this and make changes over time. the real question comes from me. if, indeed -- >> it's like the titanic, you tinker your way through the fog. the question becomes if and when the president has to delay the individual pan date. obvious -- mandate. the question was that didn't come. we didn't see any coverage from that from the director. >> john, miss tavenner said the argument we almost heard for a month, the crushing load of demand, obama care is what caused the program through this website. she, too, it wasn't just kathleen sebelius, she said cgi federal is to blame. you think they're glad they took this contract at this point? they have been thrown under the bus again and again. >> that doesn't pass the smell